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Post by MarchToFuzz on Jan 26, 2005 10:38:28 GMT 1
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Post by Smallstone on Jan 26, 2005 11:30:38 GMT 1
Nice one. Thats a very interesting piece. I had the fortune to meet Jonathan Poneman once in a business capacity and he was a) a lovely man and b) very very clued up!! Certainly a legend!!
Sub Pop certainly did seem to lose their way artistically in the mid to late 90s (but who didn't) but their output in general over the last few years has been great. From the Shins to Iron and Wine (oh an Mudhoney:) they have been signing exciting stuff. I could do without Hot Hot Heat though!
One thing I kind of don't understand is why they don't keep some of their back catalogue in print. You know Tad stuff etc They seem to sometimes deny their 'grunge' past......Anyone agree/disagree?
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Post by Thurston_Whore on Jan 26, 2005 20:41:57 GMT 1
Yeah thats a nice read indeed and as a massive sub pop fan i agree (with most stuff) jon said on that article,BUT about this sort of sub pop becoming better or just as good as it were before thing and SUB POP is back thing i dissagree,I mean yeah they have some fucking great bands on sub pop today The Catheters,Murder City Devils,Low,Wolf Eyes,Iron And Wine ect.. I love most of the bands on the label now,but (alot of people will dissagree i know) i find that the current crop of bands to lack something,i dunno what it is,its wrong to say i know but it almost seems to me like most of the older bands who have now mostly broken up or died ect..ect..and arent going anymore seemd more important to listen to like they had something to say if anyone hears me on that? I dunno im trying not to be a cunt about this but i find alot of bands on there today to be a little,bold,bland and sometimes boring and this i never get listening to say The Wiper,Mudhoney,Tad,Dickless ect..mabye its just me but thats what i get listening to most of the bands on there today.
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Post by RaunchHands on Jan 26, 2005 21:27:49 GMT 1
smallstone, if you haven't seen 'em yet, you gotta catch Kinski (sub pop band) live as soon as possible. their set was one of the most memorable i've seen in years. much better than the record i picked up at their show, but then again, it's hard for a band like that to preserve their live impact in the studio.
and you'd probably love estrus' cherry valence, too. i have their first record and the vocals can sound a bit weird, but put them on a stage and it's total rock'n'roll heaven. what an amazing band.
thurston, most bands on sub pop today are a bit more on the songwriter / perfect pop song / artsy / dreamy side, as opposed to the raw post OC hardcore meet blue cheer of the "sub pop 200" generation. record labels such as estrus, dischord, in the red, SFTRI, dirtnap etc (and sub pop itself, as comets on fire can attest) still put out a lot of stuff with that "spirit".
anyway i think the real problem here is that the heavy fuzzy sound of mudhoney and all those bands just isn't hip these days. i mean apart from grunge aficionados and some musos pretty much everybody else looks at that kind of sound as "old", "trendy" or whatever. if they like loud stuff they'll go all the way into stoner, if they like dirty r'n'r they'll pick up some mummies soundalike, if they like punk they'll get into whatever MRR has on the cover this month... it seems to me that the grizzly sound mudhoney still champions with so much class is currently considered the most uncool thing in music, both by mainstream audiences and the more educated listeners. so turn on those amps guys, and get out and show the world how it's done!
i don't think they deny their past but honestly, i can't see how much more money they could make out of tad. they know most kids will just download that stuff and will never mind about buying the real thing, and for the few that do, second hand stores and ebay are choke filled with used cd's of those bands. and let's face it, how many people out there feel the need to own every single thing tad ever put out? maybe sub pop should put together a tad 2xCD with their best stuff, man that'd be a killer. but if they prefer to use their money to produce exciting new bands instead of going back to their past, more power to them.
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