Post by yoodooright on Mar 14, 2006 10:04:36 GMT 1
well as that quote from mark seems to suggest, the reason may be estrus' lack of money. it's very sad indeed. i wonder if they ever got back up from that fire.
smallstone--> i agree that sub pop color vinyl have something special about them... after all it was them that resurrected the entire vinyl market for a lot of people.
as for how many colors/how many copies, man that is probably impossible. if you go and check out some of the most detailed nirvana discographies you'll get a picture (since so many people nirvana have such a large fan base, even their most obscure releases are well documented). it goes from the pressing plant doing some copies on white vinyl of bleach that are literally trashed by sub pop because they look too much like the first edition (but of course some copies do survive) to sub pop being unable to pay the pressing plant and instead allowing them to press up copies of their best selling albums to resell independently. and plants often don't clean the pressing plates when they switch from one color to another so you've got transition colors, or some copies of release Y which is supposed to be on color B being done on the color A of the release X they've just finished pressing. and the list goes on and on. what's even more tragic for the collectors is that often the bands themselves didn't give a fuck about these things. one should probably track down all the former sub pop employees one by one and tape their stories, and then force the pressing plants to disclose their books (if they kept any). i think either poneman or pavitt did have some interest into collecting this kind of stuff, at least in the early days. but the bottom line is that it's just chaos.
record collector may or not may not have done an early sub pop piece but they usually rely on infos provided by sub pop or lifted off the internet i.e. they know as much as we do. i think that unlike say the beatles or the stones there's no real money involved into this kind of collecting (let's face it, apart from love buzz and some rare test pressings, which sub pop release can command a price of, say, over $200?) so i don't think they've got the motivation to really go out and find out more than what's already known.
smallstone--> i agree that sub pop color vinyl have something special about them... after all it was them that resurrected the entire vinyl market for a lot of people.
as for how many colors/how many copies, man that is probably impossible. if you go and check out some of the most detailed nirvana discographies you'll get a picture (since so many people nirvana have such a large fan base, even their most obscure releases are well documented). it goes from the pressing plant doing some copies on white vinyl of bleach that are literally trashed by sub pop because they look too much like the first edition (but of course some copies do survive) to sub pop being unable to pay the pressing plant and instead allowing them to press up copies of their best selling albums to resell independently. and plants often don't clean the pressing plates when they switch from one color to another so you've got transition colors, or some copies of release Y which is supposed to be on color B being done on the color A of the release X they've just finished pressing. and the list goes on and on. what's even more tragic for the collectors is that often the bands themselves didn't give a fuck about these things. one should probably track down all the former sub pop employees one by one and tape their stories, and then force the pressing plants to disclose their books (if they kept any). i think either poneman or pavitt did have some interest into collecting this kind of stuff, at least in the early days. but the bottom line is that it's just chaos.
record collector may or not may not have done an early sub pop piece but they usually rely on infos provided by sub pop or lifted off the internet i.e. they know as much as we do. i think that unlike say the beatles or the stones there's no real money involved into this kind of collecting (let's face it, apart from love buzz and some rare test pressings, which sub pop release can command a price of, say, over $200?) so i don't think they've got the motivation to really go out and find out more than what's already known.
